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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Echoes was one of my least favourites of the post Man On The Street run of episodes.  I agree with the plotholes, though I found myself enjoying the Adelle/Topher scenes.

That being said, you&#039;re in for a good run after this.  Needs and Spy In The House of Love are fantastic, and while Haunted is something of a downturn (though still fun and entertaining), Briar Rose brings things right back up.  The finale is strange...i&#039;m interested to know what you&#039;ll think of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Echoes was one of my least favourites of the post Man On The Street run of episodes.  I agree with the plotholes, though I found myself enjoying the Adelle/Topher scenes.</p>
<p>That being said, you&#8217;re in for a good run after this.  Needs and Spy In The House of Love are fantastic, and while Haunted is something of a downturn (though still fun and entertaining), Briar Rose brings things right back up.  The finale is strange&#8230;i&#8217;m interested to know what you&#8217;ll think of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it was more fitting though.  She was playing a white trash girl character, so the outfit kind of fit better.  It seemed like they tried to pass the outfit she wore on &quot;Echoes&quot; as a normal outfit to be wearing in public that everyone will turn a blind eye to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it was more fitting though.  She was playing a white trash girl character, so the outfit kind of fit better.  It seemed like they tried to pass the outfit she wore on &#8220;Echoes&#8221; as a normal outfit to be wearing in public that everyone will turn a blind eye to.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the outfit in the season finale is even worse, IMHO :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the outfit in the season finale is even worse, IMHO :-/</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, I was waiting for this one. I&#039;m aware that you didn&#039;t like &quot;Man on the Street&quot; as much as the rest of us did, but for those of us who really liked that episode THIS was one MAJOR letdown. I&#039;m one of the few who found Caroline&#039;s actual personality something of a joy to watch, but that and the totally creepy beginning were pretty much the ONLY good things about this episode -- it was better than the cursed backup singer episode, but that&#039;s about ALL you can say for it.

And I was likely more irritated than you that she spent the entire episode dressed like an advertisment for A&amp;F&#039;s new Go-Go Dancer line -- just when the show was starting to get serious, too! And the random professor who remembered Caroline couldn&#039;t POSSIBLY have had a clue about the fact that Caroline disappeared completely from college and her life after her boyfried got MURDERED on CAMPUS? There were more holes in this plot than there were in &quot;Holes&quot; by Lois Sachar, and that&#039;s REALLY hard to achieve.

I hope that you find the next episodes more rewarding, but I have to warn you that episode 10 is likely going to frustrate you again -- even though I thought it was more enjoyable than some of their first attempts, the shot at another somewhat standalone in the midst of building up the mythology was just not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, I was waiting for this one. I&#8217;m aware that you didn&#8217;t like &#8220;Man on the Street&#8221; as much as the rest of us did, but for those of us who really liked that episode THIS was one MAJOR letdown. I&#8217;m one of the few who found Caroline&#8217;s actual personality something of a joy to watch, but that and the totally creepy beginning were pretty much the ONLY good things about this episode &#8212; it was better than the cursed backup singer episode, but that&#8217;s about ALL you can say for it.</p>
<p>And I was likely more irritated than you that she spent the entire episode dressed like an advertisment for A&amp;F&#8217;s new Go-Go Dancer line &#8212; just when the show was starting to get serious, too! And the random professor who remembered Caroline couldn&#8217;t POSSIBLY have had a clue about the fact that Caroline disappeared completely from college and her life after her boyfried got MURDERED on CAMPUS? There were more holes in this plot than there were in &#8220;Holes&#8221; by Lois Sachar, and that&#8217;s REALLY hard to achieve.</p>
<p>I hope that you find the next episodes more rewarding, but I have to warn you that episode 10 is likely going to frustrate you again &#8212; even though I thought it was more enjoyable than some of their first attempts, the shot at another somewhat standalone in the midst of building up the mythology was just not good.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you mentioned the outfit Echo had.  It was completely ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the outfit Echo had.  It was completely ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilly</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are u going to review NEEDS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are u going to review NEEDS?</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it&#039;s no secret that Joss often accepts some contrivances if that means he&#039;s able to tell a story he wants to tell (look at Buffy season 7). That said, Dollhouse will never be a masterpiece of storywriting (look at Lost, whole series), but it sure will continue to be interesting to watch and it will offer unique scenes and emotional moments. That&#039;s what I expect from Joss tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s no secret that Joss often accepts some contrivances if that means he&#8217;s able to tell a story he wants to tell (look at Buffy season 7). That said, Dollhouse will never be a masterpiece of storywriting (look at Lost, whole series), but it sure will continue to be interesting to watch and it will offer unique scenes and emotional moments. That&#8217;s what I expect from Joss tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holly, 

You make some interesting points about the episode - which I will consider. However I am aware that one of the main themes of the series is technology, and the role it plays in society. Indeed, I find this to be one of the attractions of the series - just like with &quot;Fringe&quot;, in that it deals with similar themes (albeit in a more entertaining and accessible way, &lt;em&gt;IMO&lt;/em&gt;).

So I don&#039;t think I&#039;m &quot;missing the point&quot; of the series [although I may have overlooked aspects of this particular episode]. I enjoy the explorations into technology and the fine line of whether its application is good or bad for the individual and humanity. It&#039;s always a matter of degrees and perception, as we see with the imprints themselves. However, I admit that maybe this episode didn&#039;t appeal to me in the way I would have liked. I honestly don&#039;t think that this [episode] was the best &#039;vehicle&#039; to service the story.

I appreciate your comment about pre-Echo being &#039;one tracked minded&#039; with her world view though. That&#039;s interesting. In a sense, it mirrors Paul&#039;s ambition to bring down the DH, because, well..it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;wrong&lt;/em&gt; [in his view].

I agree that we have to accept some contrivances in SF. I just find DH&#039;s to be so overt, particularly in this episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holly, </p>
<p>You make some interesting points about the episode &#8211; which I will consider. However I am aware that one of the main themes of the series is technology, and the role it plays in society. Indeed, I find this to be one of the attractions of the series &#8211; just like with &#8220;Fringe&#8221;, in that it deals with similar themes (albeit in a more entertaining and accessible way, <em>IMO</em>).</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m &#8220;missing the point&#8221; of the series [although I may have overlooked aspects of this particular episode]. I enjoy the explorations into technology and the fine line of whether its application is good or bad for the individual and humanity. It&#8217;s always a matter of degrees and perception, as we see with the imprints themselves. However, I admit that maybe this episode didn&#8217;t appeal to me in the way I would have liked. I honestly don&#8217;t think that this [episode] was the best &#8216;vehicle&#8217; to service the story.</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment about pre-Echo being &#8216;one tracked minded&#8217; with her world view though. That&#8217;s interesting. In a sense, it mirrors Paul&#8217;s ambition to bring down the DH, because, well..it&#8217;s <em>wrong</em> [in his view].</p>
<p>I agree that we have to accept some contrivances in SF. I just find DH&#8217;s to be so overt, particularly in this episode.</p>
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		<title>By: holly</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/1.07-echoes-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree this wasn&#039;t one of the best episodes, I think you&#039;re evaluation of the episode being pointless was a little unfounded. The whole point was to show what Caroline/Echo was like prior to life in the Dollhouse - particularly that she was fairly one tracked mind when she viewed something as being &quot;wrong.&quot; Also, to show that this wonderful new technology they came up with, might not be that great.

I really think you&#039;re kind of missing the entire point of the series itself. If you had ever seen or read an interview with Joss Whedon you would know that one of the themes he loves to play with is how technology walks the lines of ethics and humanity. Dollhouse is in a lot of way his masterpiece in that respect. 

And finally, you keep commenting on all the &quot;contrivances,&quot; but keep in mind you&#039;re watching a sci-fi series about a company that makes its money by wiping peoples memories and pimping out their bodies (also a comment on feminism and how we&#039;re not as evolved as many like to think). You have to accept SOME contrivances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree this wasn&#8217;t one of the best episodes, I think you&#8217;re evaluation of the episode being pointless was a little unfounded. The whole point was to show what Caroline/Echo was like prior to life in the Dollhouse &#8211; particularly that she was fairly one tracked mind when she viewed something as being &#8220;wrong.&#8221; Also, to show that this wonderful new technology they came up with, might not be that great.</p>
<p>I really think you&#8217;re kind of missing the entire point of the series itself. If you had ever seen or read an interview with Joss Whedon you would know that one of the themes he loves to play with is how technology walks the lines of ethics and humanity. Dollhouse is in a lot of way his masterpiece in that respect. </p>
<p>And finally, you keep commenting on all the &#8220;contrivances,&#8221; but keep in mind you&#8217;re watching a sci-fi series about a company that makes its money by wiping peoples memories and pimping out their bodies (also a comment on feminism and how we&#8217;re not as evolved as many like to think). You have to accept SOME contrivances.</p>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair dues. 

That said, my intention wasn&#039;t to make this as detailed as before. Playing catch-up makes it difficult to tackle the episodes in the same format or depth. There&#039;s also the fact that I genuinely didn&#039;t enjoy this episode.

Also, much of this review was from memory, so perhaps I have missed a few of the nuances - which I accept and look forward to picking up along the way.

That said, you&#039;re entitled to take as much or as little from this post as you see fit.

I look forward to seeing why this episode is so important in the grand scheme of things though.

As for Langton, well, I&#039;m going from the first 6 episodes. For me, he was (along with Topher) the best acted and most surprisingly interesting character. Maybe my opinion (like yours) will change over time. It certainly started to shift after this episode!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair dues. </p>
<p>That said, my intention wasn&#8217;t to make this as detailed as before. Playing catch-up makes it difficult to tackle the episodes in the same format or depth. There&#8217;s also the fact that I genuinely didn&#8217;t enjoy this episode.</p>
<p>Also, much of this review was from memory, so perhaps I have missed a few of the nuances &#8211; which I accept and look forward to picking up along the way.</p>
<p>That said, you&#8217;re entitled to take as much or as little from this post as you see fit.</p>
<p>I look forward to seeing why this episode is so important in the grand scheme of things though.</p>
<p>As for Langton, well, I&#8217;m going from the first 6 episodes. For me, he was (along with Topher) the best acted and most surprisingly interesting character. Maybe my opinion (like yours) will change over time. It certainly started to shift after this episode!</p>
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