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		<title>By: Amberlee</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/mini-review-2.04-belonging/comment-page-1/#comment-2088</link>
		<dc:creator>Amberlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking evryeewhre and this popped up like nothing!</description>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dichen was indeed good in this episode - which actually makes me realise how sparingly she&#039;s been used up to now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dichen was indeed good in this episode &#8211; which actually makes me realise how sparingly she&#8217;s been used up to now..</p>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
		<link>http://watchingdollhouse.com/mini-review-2.04-belonging/comment-page-1/#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what gets me about Adelle - she only seems to see the pereived sense of &#039;good&#039; that the DH does for these people. It does make for some interesting ethical and moral debates over what is *good* for us, and whether there *has* to be a conscious choice on the part of the individual. But as you said, slavery (which is what it is) isn&#039;t right on any grounds. Human choice should be a given, but I guess the DH want to play God :P

1) Thanks for the warning. I&#039;ll *try* to overlook any elements that feel rushed, although I can&#039;t promise to not mention it if it&#039;s overly distracting :)

2) Intereeesting! Oh Boyd, what have you done!

3) Hmm, I guess the &#039;storm&#039; is not the kind of supernatural/end-of-times event that I had perceived then? I am intrigued now though..

Thanks for the feedback Phoenix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what gets me about Adelle &#8211; she only seems to see the pereived sense of &#8216;good&#8217; that the DH does for these people. It does make for some interesting ethical and moral debates over what is *good* for us, and whether there *has* to be a conscious choice on the part of the individual. But as you said, slavery (which is what it is) isn&#8217;t right on any grounds. Human choice should be a given, but I guess the DH want to play God <img src='http://watchingdollhouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>1) Thanks for the warning. I&#8217;ll *try* to overlook any elements that feel rushed, although I can&#8217;t promise to not mention it if it&#8217;s overly distracting <img src='http://watchingdollhouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>2) Intereeesting! Oh Boyd, what have you done!</p>
<p>3) Hmm, I guess the &#8216;storm&#8217; is not the kind of supernatural/end-of-times event that I had perceived then? I am intrigued now though..</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback Phoenix!</p>
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		<title>By: David F</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favourite episodes ever of dollhouse along with Epitaph One and The Left hand, and easily the most emotional. Dichen you are amazing and well done for trying to catch up, thats some integrity from you even if i think you try to dislike the show sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite episodes ever of dollhouse along with Epitaph One and The Left hand, and easily the most emotional. Dichen you are amazing and well done for trying to catch up, thats some integrity from you even if i think you try to dislike the show sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still feel all sad that I&#039;m practically the only Ballard fan in the world (heh). In any case, I&#039;m particularly glad that you pointed out the case of Adelle DeWitt&#039;s hypocrisy -- she&#039;s so caring toward the dolls, and so horrified at what Nolan did...but Priya never signed up to *be* a doll. Sure, on some level what the Dollhouse did was beneficial to her in the long run (or, if she was actually schizophrenic it would be), but that doesn&#039;t stop it from crossing that thin line the Dollhouse treads between slavery and chosen servitude.

I love Victor/Sierra, really, and I actually almost cried at this episode when I realized that he was still sitting there for the entire day, waiting for her. I was far more interested in the Echo B-story than you, but still, Sierra and Victor carried this entire episode and they did it wonderfully.

To address a couple of your concerns:

1) They found out the show was going to be cancelled by the ninth or tenth episode. At that point, they were already trying to wrap the story up. Here&#039;s the thing: Fox was actually quite kind and gave Joss and Co. the chance to finish the story. I&#039;ll warn you: the rest of the second season is very rushed, because it&#039;s telescoping Whedon&#039;s initial &quot;five year plan&quot; into one half a season, but it&#039;s still very good. &quot;Epitaph One&quot; is now completely cannonical (minus one retcon you&#039;ll see in a few episodes) and the overall series finale airing on Friday is titled &quot;Epitaph Two: Return.&quot;

2) That *was* an all-access card. Echo may be able to walk all over the main floor (and, apparently, the garage) without interference but she now has access to everywhere that requires a swipe card (DeWitt&#039;s office, the Rossum office above the Dollhouse, the weapons locker...)

3) The &quot;storm&quot; that Echo is referring to is the Rossum Corporation. If you remember in season one she gained back some of Caroline&#039;s memories of Rossum, and Echo is vaguely aware of who she&#039;s really fighting against. This gets fleshed out in the next episode, but trust me: something bad *is* coming.

Glad that you enjoyed the episode, and I hope you&#039;re ready for a thrill ride because &quot;Dollhouse&quot; is about to gain some &quot;Alias&quot; like tendencies and it gets *really* gripping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still feel all sad that I&#8217;m practically the only Ballard fan in the world (heh). In any case, I&#8217;m particularly glad that you pointed out the case of Adelle DeWitt&#8217;s hypocrisy &#8212; she&#8217;s so caring toward the dolls, and so horrified at what Nolan did&#8230;but Priya never signed up to *be* a doll. Sure, on some level what the Dollhouse did was beneficial to her in the long run (or, if she was actually schizophrenic it would be), but that doesn&#8217;t stop it from crossing that thin line the Dollhouse treads between slavery and chosen servitude.</p>
<p>I love Victor/Sierra, really, and I actually almost cried at this episode when I realized that he was still sitting there for the entire day, waiting for her. I was far more interested in the Echo B-story than you, but still, Sierra and Victor carried this entire episode and they did it wonderfully.</p>
<p>To address a couple of your concerns:</p>
<p>1) They found out the show was going to be cancelled by the ninth or tenth episode. At that point, they were already trying to wrap the story up. Here&#8217;s the thing: Fox was actually quite kind and gave Joss and Co. the chance to finish the story. I&#8217;ll warn you: the rest of the second season is very rushed, because it&#8217;s telescoping Whedon&#8217;s initial &#8220;five year plan&#8221; into one half a season, but it&#8217;s still very good. &#8220;Epitaph One&#8221; is now completely cannonical (minus one retcon you&#8217;ll see in a few episodes) and the overall series finale airing on Friday is titled &#8220;Epitaph Two: Return.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) That *was* an all-access card. Echo may be able to walk all over the main floor (and, apparently, the garage) without interference but she now has access to everywhere that requires a swipe card (DeWitt&#8217;s office, the Rossum office above the Dollhouse, the weapons locker&#8230;)</p>
<p>3) The &#8220;storm&#8221; that Echo is referring to is the Rossum Corporation. If you remember in season one she gained back some of Caroline&#8217;s memories of Rossum, and Echo is vaguely aware of who she&#8217;s really fighting against. This gets fleshed out in the next episode, but trust me: something bad *is* coming.</p>
<p>Glad that you enjoyed the episode, and I hope you&#8217;re ready for a thrill ride because &#8220;Dollhouse&#8221; is about to gain some &#8220;Alias&#8221; like tendencies and it gets *really* gripping.</p>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this stage Topher is probably my favorite character (although I still hold out hope for Boyd). Can it really last?</description>
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		<title>By: Roco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen it - though granted I may need to watch it again to remember all of the details, but are they actually counting Epitaph One as canon now? As in..that&#039;s the future that &#039;will&#039; happen?

I agree that Topher&#039;s moralistic side has been developed for a while - although I&#039;d say that 2.04 was the first episode were I really believed that it meant something, both to him, and to the direction of the show (fingers crossed, at least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen it &#8211; though granted I may need to watch it again to remember all of the details, but are they actually counting Epitaph One as canon now? As in..that&#8217;s the future that &#8216;will&#8217; happen?</p>
<p>I agree that Topher&#8217;s moralistic side has been developed for a while &#8211; although I&#8217;d say that 2.04 was the first episode were I really believed that it meant something, both to him, and to the direction of the show (fingers crossed, at least).</p>
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		<title>By: Page 48</title>
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		<dc:creator>Page 48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The absence of Ballard was refreshing indeed. 

I think Topher has been listening to the self-improvement tapes (mp3&#039;s) on the subway every morning on his way to work. Must have picked them up during the off-season. It&#039;s nice to see our Topher maturing into a semi-responsible adult. And, without giving too much away, Topher&#039;s best days, IMO, lie ahead in the not too distant future. The same can be said for the show itself. 

Redemption is better late than never, I suppose, but pity it took cancellation to get this party started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absence of Ballard was refreshing indeed. </p>
<p>I think Topher has been listening to the self-improvement tapes (mp3&#8242;s) on the subway every morning on his way to work. Must have picked them up during the off-season. It&#8217;s nice to see our Topher maturing into a semi-responsible adult. And, without giving too much away, Topher&#8217;s best days, IMO, lie ahead in the not too distant future. The same can be said for the show itself. </p>
<p>Redemption is better late than never, I suppose, but pity it took cancellation to get this party started.</p>
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		<title>By: wiesengrund</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiesengrund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you liked the ep. It was also my season 2 favorite at the time it aired. 
 
Re: direction. I take it you haven&#039;t seen Epitaph One? 
 
Re: Topher&#039;s sudden morals: I think it&#039;s a theme that has been gradually established over the course of the show. It has been both pointed out by Echo (for instance when she offers herself for help in &quot;A Spy in the House of Love&quot; or when she touches his heart in &quot;Omega&quot;) but also by some developments on his own: For instance, he cares about Boyd and warns him that he&#039;s gonna tell Dewitt about the chip in &quot;A Spy...&quot;, he seems to at some level genuinly care for the girl in &quot;Briar Rose&quot;, he is visibly uncomfrotable with Victor being imprinted with Dominic in &quot;Briar Rose&quot; and he loudly tells Saunders in &quot;Vows&quot; that she doesn&#039;t know him, when she confronts him with &quot;You don&#039;t care!&quot;. (It is still open for debate if he programmed Saunders with &quot;too much computer skills&quot;, as she seems to think, so that she is able to hack his computer and find out that she&#039;s a doll, also a morally very intersting action, in light of &quot;Belongin&quot;.)  
 
So, for me the &quot;Belonging&quot; was just exploring explicitly something that was already hinted at over course of the show. Nice character development. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you liked the ep. It was also my season 2 favorite at the time it aired.</p>
<p>Re: direction. I take it you haven&#039;t seen Epitaph One?</p>
<p>Re: Topher&#039;s sudden morals: I think it&#039;s a theme that has been gradually established over the course of the show. It has been both pointed out by Echo (for instance when she offers herself for help in &quot;A Spy in the House of Love&quot; or when she touches his heart in &quot;Omega&quot;) but also by some developments on his own: For instance, he cares about Boyd and warns him that he&#039;s gonna tell Dewitt about the chip in &quot;A Spy&#8230;&quot;, he seems to at some level genuinly care for the girl in &quot;Briar Rose&quot;, he is visibly uncomfrotable with Victor being imprinted with Dominic in &quot;Briar Rose&quot; and he loudly tells Saunders in &quot;Vows&quot; that she doesn&#039;t know him, when she confronts him with &quot;You don&#039;t care!&quot;. (It is still open for debate if he programmed Saunders with &quot;too much computer skills&quot;, as she seems to think, so that she is able to hack his computer and find out that she&#039;s a doll, also a morally very intersting action, in light of &quot;Belongin&quot;.) </p>
<p>So, for me the &quot;Belonging&quot; was just exploring explicitly something that was already hinted at over course of the show. Nice character development.</p>
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