Joss WhedonIGN have released more snippets from a recent interview with Dollhouse creator Joss Whedon. He talks about his confidence in Dollhouse airing mid-season, Eliza Dushku, Amy Acker, Tahmoh Penikett, the projected lifespan of Dollhouse and other interesting DH reveals. It’s kind of spoilery, so be warned:

Question: Your fans are very protective of you. Some of them heard “midseason” and there was a bit of, “The sky is falling! FOX is going to screw him again!” What do you say to those concerns?

Whedon:

Well, you know, I get it. I understand that and I feel bad because I want to be able to explain, without sounding like an apologist, that it doesn’t work the way it used to. The winter is prime time for FOX. Firefly came out in the fall, had to fight baseball, and lost. FOX has always been incredibly supportive of [Dollhouse], and they also said, “Well, you haven’t finished it. These guys [at Fringe] have finished theirs.” And we were gunning for winter. We were like, “We hope we get January, because we want American Idol time, not baseball time.” Not to say that they’re not supporting Fringe, it’s just that either one works for different reasons. I like the idea of making my episodes before they go out – it’s how we did Buffyand it worked great for us. But yeah, for some people it has the stink of midseason, when in fact the whole concept of the season is deteriorating. So we’re going up with the premiere of 24.

Question: Do you have this close a friendship with a lot of the actors you’ve worked with, or do you think you and Eliza have something very specific?

Whedon:

You know, it’s different with everyone. Eliza and I aren’t as close as some, like Aly [Hannigan] and Amy [Acker]. They’re in my life day to day. I’m really close with Alexis Denisof. Eliza and I have seldom been in the same place for very long and I’m an old married guy and she’s a lot younger and bubblier. But we started this tradition, and it started years ago, where I got frustrated with all these crappy horror movies she was making like Wrong Turn and Soul Survivor… That last one broke me. I literally said, “Eliza, let’s have tea. I’d like to talk to you.” And I said, “I love you. I think you have something that no other actor that I’ve worked with has. What the f**k are you making these movies for? Why are you doing this to me? You’re killing me. I just think you’re better than this.” And that was when she was really struggling with her agency and her identity and not really knowing what she wanted, but she knew she wanted to. And it kind of became a tradition with us over the years. I saw her in New York doing a play off-Broadway and we sat until 2:00 in the morning talking about, “There’s this opportunity, and I’m trying to develop this.” I could see that she was taking it further. And this lunch was just one of those [situations]. We always checked in with each other with this, ‘Same time next year’ relationship. We hardly get to see each other and when we do, I adore her and I’m pretty sure she’s fairly okay with me.

Question: Can you talk about Amy Acker’s character?

Whedon:

Amy plays Dr. Claire Saunders. She works in the Dollhouse and she’s a very moral force and she’s very, very, very broken. She’s scarred. Something happened – she’s literally scarred. Something happened at the dollhouse awhile back and she was scarred and she just sort of lives there and her whole mission in life is to take care of them. Topher, the programmer, he programs them and has a very amoral kind of point of view, and she’s sort of his counterpoint.

Question: I know you’re a big Battlestarfan. Was it great for you to get to work with Tahmoh Penikett?

Whedon:I’m gonna go out on a limb here and tell the truth – I’ve had a man-crush on Tahmoh since the first episode of Battlestar.

Question: From the moment he stayed behind on Caprica?

Whedon:I had a feeling about him. I just had a feeling about him. I know, he gave up his seat to Baltar! Not bright, but cute! But no, he just has a presence. Tim Minear watched the dailies and he said, “I can’t believe you found this guy. This guy is so hard to find. A leading man that has a real soulfulness and a real unique quality” and I just felt that from Battlestar, and he brought it completely [to Dollhouse]. When I spoke to him, he was the first person to mention Never Let Me Go, the novel, just from hearing the premise of Dollhouse. The beautiful sadness of that novel so suffuses what we’re trying to do, and it was so beautiful when he brought it up that I just knew this guy [was right]. And it follows my rule with Nathan [Fillion]. Hire a Canadian! They’re gentlemen and they’re very tall.

Question: What exactly are the dolls used for? In the clips, one guy seems to be using Eliza for a date essentially, right?

Whedon: Well, they will. One of the things Eliza first talked to me about is the idea of sexuality being something she wanted to explore before I’d come up with a concept. And the idea of hiring what we refer to as “an active” – the dolls, basically – is that you get to have the perfect experience. And if we are going to stand here and say for as lot of people the perfect experience doesn’t involve sex, that would be disingenuous. So, there is an element of something about it that’s very romantic and there’s an element that’s very creepy. And the two things, what’s interesting to me, is that they’re joined. That need for that perfect moment – feeling love for somebody that’s simple and real and not something where they’re faking, because they’re not. She’ll fall in love with him. That’s how it works. Whether or not it has to do with sex, that’s how it works. That’s how she’s imprinted. But our need for something like that is sort of what’s worst about us and what’s best about us. What she ends up being in most cases is kind of a life coach; whether she’s coaching you through a criminal act or going into rehab, she’s the person you need to meet the most at that time and combining a very lofty sort of goal with what is considered by most people to be a very base part of us, sexuality, is what interests me, because there’s arguments for every side. There is arguments that that is degrading and there’s arguments that it’s uplifting and there’s arguments in different ways for both of those sides and that’s what we want to talk about.

Question: If you do six years of this show, do you know the end?

Whedon:

I don’t know the end zone, because you’ve got to leave that up to the viewers to an extent, but I know the arenas. When I pitched the show, I said, “Here’s the pilot, here are the characters, here’s episode six and sort of what we do every week and here’s the first two years, second two years, third two years.” So yes, because the show has to progress. Especially a show like this, where while it’s a week to week show – she’ll go on a different engagement every week and it’ll have a complete story – like Buffy, ultimately what people will become invested in is the arcs of the characters. You cannot just hit reset. Somebody, I forget who and I apologize to them in advance, but somebody said, “Scully was pretty much like a doll that they imprinted and she kept forgetting that there might be monsters.” You can’t do that. You have to let them grow. So I said, “The first arc is this, the second arc is this, the third is this.” There’s room for change though, but they know I have a five year plan and that’s important.

 

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Adelle has sent an email to her stooges and she’s not happy – apparently she’s aware that “civilians” are trying to find her “actives”:

All,

We may have a problem regarding one of the Actives.  It appears somebody — a civilian — is trying to find them.

My office, 9am.  Don’t be late.

I’m assuming that she’s referring to Sheridan (and us) who is looking for the ‘Dollhouse mole’Kimi Lassek. Does this mean that Kimi is an “active” - perhaps she is Echo’s sister? ..Maybe she’s the active called November (Miracle Laurie) who may want to expose the truth about Adelle’s unregulated science? Or perhaps the ARG wont tie-in directly with the actual show, and Kimi will just be an ARG character called Kimi – like Rachel Blakefrom Lost’s first ARG?

 

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Spoiler Warning!

The people over at pinkraygun.com have released ’10 Facts About Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse’. Most of them are already fairly common knowledge by now, but I was further intrigued by these:

8. Most of the Dolls are young, and all beautiful.

9. Supposedly, the Dolls volunteered for the work in the Dollhouse — they give up five years of their lives, and at the end they receive a ridiculously large sum of money and no memory of anything they did for the Dollhouse.

10. Missions for the Actives are only supposed to last 10 hours, or else the imprint could be strained. However, lately certain missions have taken quite a bit longer, some lasting for days…

OK, some musings: So all of the Dolls are “beautiful” – what if a mission requires a less aesthetically pleasing Doll..wouldn’t this put the Dolls at a disadvantage..make them less convincing? What statement is this trying to make, I wonder.

The Dolls are only hired for 5 years? So they are released back into society afterwards? Does this mean their pre-Dollhouse memories are replaced..or are those wiped for ever? I also find the “large” monetary payoff interesting as well – I had assumed that the prime motivation for joining the Dollhouse was to rid themselves of past memories..but I guess money has to also be considered as a motivator, which paints some of the Dolls in a slightly different light. Although I guess they need money to live on after those 5 years, as re-integrating back into society could take some time.

Missions should only last 10 hours or the imprint begins to deteriorate – is this how Echo begins to become self-aware? Does she go on one too many missions which last more than 10 hours?

You can find all 10 “facts” here, although beware of spoilers if you REALLY don’t want to know.

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Thanks to wisengrund for the heads up on this one – it seems that the ‘game’ has now moved to the next stage, with ‘finding Kimi’ being the next port of call. Check out this photo which was mysteriously sent to Sheridan Owen from Manchester, England (yes folks, this is a global game!):

From Kimi

It appears to be a photo from inside the Dollhouse facility. I’m not sure what other conclusions to make from it – although we’ll probably have to go back through the promo images which were released last week to make some connections.

As for “Kimi” and who she is – she’s Kimi Lassek, the guy/woman/doll who helped me crack Adelle’s website. But what is Kimi’s agenda?

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OK, I’ve just got into Adelle’s website – thanks to a little ‘auto-fill’ clue over at the FOX Blog(those guys are clever!) – check out the comment entry from “Kimi Lassek”. A fan or a Dollhouse Rogue?

The username is adelle and the password is wipe

Upon logging in it takes you to Adelle’s webmail, and the inbox contains one single email from Topher Brink, which reads:

Subject: External Website

From: Brink, Topher

Date: Mon, May 26 2008 9:48am

To: DeWitt, Adelle

Priority: Normal

Adelle,

Website is gone as requested.  Will relaunch once the design is good to go.

Topher

So apparently Adelle has requested that the “external website” (southlandlabs) be removed – which I’m assuming is the state we now see it in, with the repeated birds-eye image of the Dollhouse facility - whilst Topher redesigns it. Also, check the date – it’s dated today. Considering the site is in the same state as it was yesterday, it would suggest that us eagle-eyed fans got whiff of southlandlabs earlier than they planned.

So, what IS southlandlabs? Is it a secret division of the Dollhouse? Does it contain murky clues as to the real nature of how and why the ‘dolls’ are wiped clean of their memories? Keep your eyes peeled for more clues everyone!

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FOX are playing a clever game..a clever Dollhouse ARG game by the looks of things. They’ve all but confirmed the beginnings of the Dollhouse ARG by posting a link to Adelle deWitt’s password protected site – Adelle deWitt is the shadowy matriarch of the Dollhouse. Also, when you click on the FOX link, you’ll probably notice that the comments ‘web site’ box is pre-filled with this site’s address. Hmm. As I posted the other day, we also have the mysterious southlandlabs website which is awaiting ‘activation’.

What isn’t yet clear is whether this ARG will interlink with the Fringe ARG which is well and truly underway - how cool would that be!?

In the meantime the hunt is on! If my experience from the Lost ARG’s are anything to go by then links and clues to accompany the game could appear in the most obscure to the most obvious of places. First port of call? Cranking Adelle’s code! Any ideas?

If you have any clues/hints on the Dollhouse ARG then feel free to let me know. For those of you wanting to follow the Fringe ARG, the hunt is already on over at Fringe-forum.com

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Calm DownAs I touched upon in my blog yesterday, some Dollhouse fans are trying to pre-empt it’s ‘cancellation’ by starting ‘save our show’ groups..that’s 7 months before the show has even started. Whilst I understand that they’re excited about the show, none of us (except Whedon and team) have even seen it yet - we don’t even know whether or not the show will be ‘worth’ saving. This may sound somewhat hypocritical seeing as I have a Dollhouse Fansite, but that’s because I’m in love with the premise of the show..I love the idea and the potential that the show has. If the show sucks then I’ll say that it sucks, period.

However, I’m not bashing these fans..I’m just executing caution over the notion of setting up campaigns before a show has even aired. Some shows actually deserve cancellation – we have enough crap on TV, do we really want to campaign for something which might not work out as we hope? Don’t get me wrong, I doubt that Dollhouse will flop, I think it will be a stunning show which makes us think, question and entertains us more than any show since LOST..or Alias..or Buffy..whichever.

I think I was right yesterday when I suggested that some of Whedon’s fans love him more than they love his shows – I just get the feeling that whether Dollhouse rocks or whether it sucks, there are already those who have made up their mind as to he quality of the show. I just think that we as fans of good television, should execute caution before we set up ‘save our show’ campaigns, because doing things like this so early will only dilute our voice when a great show actually deserves to be saved. That show might be Dollhouse, it might be Fringe..but the point is, let’s actually watch the show first, let’s actually see whether or not we like it. Let’s also give JOSS WHEDON some credit, he didn’t have to go with FOX..do you think he would have teamed up with them again on a whim? This must surely say something about the current ethos as FOX – which is different from ‘the old days’. So yeah, let’s also give FOX some credit..especially for their great sense of humour this morning!

Don’t misunderstand me..I AM supporting Dollhouse..but I don’t want my voice to get lost in the masses who are already shouting “save our show”. There are better ways to support this show than giving casuals fans a negative image of us. Sorry, I respect my fellow fan’s love for Whedon and his productions, but I have my own voice.

Let’s use the Internet responsibly guys.

*Image from calvin hobbs

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Fox has two shiny new shows just waiting to be unwrapped. Both have set the Internet buzzing over the past couple of weeks and both have piqued my interest no end. If I was a fan of JJ Abrams and Joss whedon’s creative domes before, I’m an even bigger fan now that I’ve found out more of what they have in store for us in Fringe and Dollhouse.

Many fans are already comparing the relative merits of the two shows, pitting them up against one another as if they were rivals. Of course they’re two completely different shows, even if they could be sharing an online ARG in the weeks a months to come.

Fringe mastermind JJ Abrams Dollhouse mastermind Joss Whedon

A more worthwhile comparison, I think, is between the two masterminds themselves - in the blue corner we have that ‘bad robot’ JJ Abrams, and in the red corner we have the ‘mutant enemy’ Joss Whedon. But who comes out on top? Let’s see shall we:

Age:

 

  • Abrams – 41
  • Whedon – 43

Not much between then in terms of age. Whedon might win in terms of experience, but Abrams can claim to have more energy and zest (but let’s not split hairs). DRAW

Best Work to date:

Abrams: Everyone will have their own view on the best work from JJ Abrams plethora of great productions. From Alias to Cloverfield, the man is a creative genius. He also knows the value of viral marketing which shows how ‘savvy’ and in touch he is with today’s online trends. Actually he sets the trends, which means he’s ahead of the game. His best work, however, has to surely be that monster of a journey that is ‘LOST’. Score: 9/10

Whedon: No stranger to great shows/movies, Whedon has gems like Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Serenity to his name. His shows are perhaps more ‘cult’ than JJ’s (perhaps because JJ is more mainstream than Whedon?) but have you seen the following that he has? Of course, you’re probably one of them. His best work speaks to people in a way that other shows don’t or can’t. Score 9/10

Following:

Abrams: JJ has a MONSTER following – Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof may be the new sons of Lost, but everyone remembers the creator. His fans are loyal and passionate – he also bridges the gap between geek and cool. Score: 9.5/10

Whedon: As mentioned, Whedon has a MASSIVE following. Is it larger than Abrams? who knows, but seriously sometimes I get the feeling that Whedon’s fans love him more than they love his work. with JJ it’s probably the other way around – that’s the main difference that I can see. But if push came to show I’d say that JJ was more ‘known’ – especially by the casual fan. Score: 9/10

Creativity:

Abrams: Alias, Lost, Cloverfield, Fringe, Star Trek..seriously, great (and potentially great) productions and all with a different scifi-feel about them. Abrams doesn’t stand still for long and it shows in that his work is always varied. Score 9.5/10

Whedon: The man is in touch with what sparks peoples interest. His creativty is up there with the best of them. The only possible negative is that many people see ‘Buffy’ as being ‘Angel’ and ‘Angel’ as being ‘Buffy’. Does he have what it takes to break the mould? Score: 9/10

Promise of the Premise:

Abrams: Fringe looks set to ask some very pertient questions regarding science and technology in todays world. As with most Abrams shows it will explore hidden mythology and meld seemingly disparate characters into a world in which they will need one other to survive. The premise of this show is mind-blowing, it’s sensational and it’s stylish. The one down side is that many people will see it as another X-Files, and indeed it will borrow certain things from that world. So it’s not quite as ‘new’ a premise as it could be. Score: 8/10

Whedon: Again, a mind-blowing premise which again involves technology and the regulation (or lack of) of it’s application. Dollhouse will ask questions about identity, morality, science and other edgy aspects of society. The premise is perhaps slightly ‘fresher’ than that of ‘Fringe’ in that it doesn’t have an X-Files type show which preceded it in recent years. Score: 9/10

Total score: Abrams: 36 Whedon: 36

So it seems that the pair cannot be seperated overall – of course this is only my opinion and it’s in the name of fun - you may have your own views, which you’re entitled to. If I absolutely HAD to choose who in my heart of hearts was my favourite, it would be JJ Abrams. Yes, I know this is a Dollhouse fansite, but that’s the truth - JJ created my favourite show ever – A show which revived the genre and showed networks that scifi and mainstream can go together. Which is interesting, as I reckon that Dollhouse could be Whedon’s most ‘mainstream’ effort yet - and I think it’s got success written all over it. Even if there is a fear that some quarters of the Dollhouse community are jumping the gun a bit. But more on that later..

 

 

 

 

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The Hollwood Reporter’s James Hibberd and Mediaweek’s Marc Berman discuss FOX’s fall schedule. The fall schedule being “Dollhouse” and “Fringe”.

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Earlier I posed the question as to whether we will have a Dollhouse ‘ARG’. It looks like I have my answer – take a look at this southlandlabs site. Either Fox have been readying the first stages of a Dollhouse Alternate reality Game, or some fan has chosen a rather obscure domain name for a Dollhouse fansite. Hmm..I’m thinking its ARG.

Just incase you’re wondering why I’m making the connection between that site and Dollhouse – have a look at the Dollhouse set photos. It’s Dollhouse-related all right.

However despite my excitement, let it be known that I have considered the possibility of it being a fake ARG site set up by some mischevious fan. You see, that’s the problem with technology today, there’s no way to regulate it..;)

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